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Did Leo diss Lucinda?

Posted by Jason O on Mar 11, 2011 in Irish Politics |

“If there are only three women in cabinet it is because we don’t have enough women in politics.” Leo Varadkar is quoted as saying, yesterday. But that’s not true. Lucinda Creighton is in politics, in the Dail, and not in cabinet. So she was available, which means that what? That in Leo’s opinion she isn’t up to the job? You all know where I stand on Lucinda: I think she’s wrong on same-sex marriage, but she is capable and solid (and interested, which matters) on Europe, so good luck to her as minister for Europe. Who knows, she might even surprise our EU partners by not sending a civil servant in her place.

By the way: There has been a moronic suggestion on politics.ie that her wedding be picketed by same-sex marriage campaigners. Yes, I know, she is actively working to keep some Irish citizens less equal than others, and to deny them the right she is about to exercise, but seriously? You really think this is the best way to get Middle Ireland on board? Pictures of Lucinda in her white dress in tears on her special day? How dumb are these guys?

Having said that, she has set herslf some hurdle: She’s quoted as saying she believed that marriage was “primarily about children, main purpose being to propagate & create environment for children to grow up”. Which surely means that for every day she’s not pregnant after the happy day she’s open to charges of hypocrisy. Does she not have a right to privacy, you say? Surely her family planning arrangements are her own business, you say? Normally, I’d agree. Except that it was Lucinda, in stating what she believed public policy on marriage should be, who put propagation on the table. No one forced her to make that statement. But as she is an elected public official the public now has a right to see whether she practices what she expects others to do, as she has said publicly. No pressure then, Paul.

3 Comments

Darren Mc Clure
Mar 11, 2011 at 7:45 am

It amazes me that some one of Lucinda’s intelligence and ability can have such a small minded opinion on both same gender rights and in marriage in general.


 
Peter
Mar 14, 2011 at 12:35 am

Imagine believing what everyone has believed for the last few thousand years and the vast majority of people around the world continue to believe – gosh how very narrow minded.

Lucinda believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, as does the law and the constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights. She believes the main reason the State has an interest in the matter is because it is good for children to be brought up by their parents in a committed relationship. As is confirmed by every social science study over the last fifty years.

That doesn’t mean she hates people in same sex relationship, nor married people with no children, nor lone parents. It doesn’t mean any of the straw men erected to disparage her.

If people in same sex relationships want to publicaly declare themselves and commit themselves, that’s fine – but no amount of legal linguistics or twisted terminologies will turn it into a marriage.


 
Jason O
Mar 14, 2011 at 8:05 am

You said something about straw men Peter? Who is saying that Lucinda hates anybody? Certainly not me. I’m not saying she is a homophobe either, because she isn’t. Maybe it’s my libertarian streak: I just don’t like Big Government telling me, or any other consenting adult, how to run our relationships. Especially not an Irish government which has shown itself not to be exactly exemplary in its protection of children. As for the few thousand years argument, please. Female inequality, the right to rape within marriage, and slavery were the accepted norms for those thousand years as well. Why aren’t you calling for their restoration too? Is it because you probably accept that they were wrong? That you accept that something practiced for thousands of years may need to be modified? By the way, you are quite correct about children in committed relationships: Studies do show that. But that is not what Lucinda said. She said that marriage was primarily about children. Primarily. There’s a difference. The core principle here is that Lucinda believes in the state actively contriving to deny certain citizens equal rights that other citizens get from a process (civil marriage) which is conducted by the same state they pay taxes to fund. That is my objection. I believe that the churches have every right to deny same-sex marriage because they are voluntary organisations. But gay citizens have no choice about paying taxes or obeying the law so they should be treated equally by the state.


 

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