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Notes from the frontline: a report from the Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael presidential dinners.

Posted by Jason O on Oct 7, 2012 in Irish Politics |

In the last two weeks, I have attended, as a guest, both the Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael presidential dinners, both held, incidentally, in the same room in the Burlington hotel. I took the opportunity to talk to quite a few members and thought I’d jot down a few notes and observations.

1. The age profile was quite markedly different, I thought, with the attendance at FF both smaller and older. I don’t think that necessarily reflects the attractiveness of either party, but the fact that parties in government tend to hire younger members for parliamentary assistant jobs, etc. Certainly, the FG profile was younger from when I last attended an FG dinner some years ago.

2. Interestingly, in both parties, I felt a genuine inter-generational tension. This always exists in parties, and did in my time in the Progressive Democrats, but not to this extent. The younger people in FG seemed to feel that their betters felt that getting into government was achievement enough, and are surprisingly bitter at having to carry the can for the policy u-turns and slight of hand stunts. In FF, one young member summed up the older generation as “They wrecked the party, and now they want to stay as if nothing happened.” Others voiced similar opinions.

3. Whereas I still believe FF and FG are effectively the same party, there was a bit more social diversity at the FF dinner. I did ask members at both about a coalition with the other after the next election if there was no alternative, and found much greater resistance at the FG dinner, although for quite po-faced reasons (in my opinion anyway) of FF paying penance. Certainly no one at either dinner, and I asked a lot of people at both about it because I wanted it as a “control” question, could come up with a policy reason why not. Most expressed the opinion that if the two parties did enter coalition, it would become almost a permanent relationship even in opposition, like the Australian Liberal National coalition.

4. The FF dinner had a slight Star Trek convention thing to it (yes, I have and yes, I know) in that people kept walking past me who I looked at and thought “Didn’t he/she used to be someone?”

5. Both parties have a different perspective on Sinn Fein. FG are afraid of their economic policy, whereas FF people believe that SF are economic spoofers. However, FF people specifically raised the danger of SF interfering with the Guards to ensure that more politically sensitive senior officers be appointed. FF people also raised the idea of SF wanting to change how the history of the troubles is taught, with the troubles been given the same moral status as the War of Independence, which is a chilling thought.

6. Two things struck me about the FF dinner. Firstly, Michael Martin visited and shook hands with every single person at every table, and that Senator Averil Power takes two hours to cross a room given the amount of old dears who queue up to meet her. I know, I saw it with my own eyes. One other thing about Marin’s speech. It was curiously free of  actual politics, focused more on FF winning elections again and serving the Irish people, but not how. The only political remark in his speech was a go at what he termed “the far left”. When I pointed this out at the table I was at, I was told “sure only a PD would notice that”.

7. At both dinners, there is an interesting consensus that Phil Hogan will go to Brussels in 2014, and that the next leader of FG will be either Leo or (this always makes me scratch my head) Simon Coveney. Really? Also at both dinners, comparisons were made between now and the early 1980s, with SF playing the role of the Worker’s Party to Labour and FG very nervous about the emergence of a new party to their right.

8. Finally, someone told me a story about Charles J Haughey describing his cabinet as having “four people of talent, and ten imbeciles for the other ten seats”. Ah Charlie.

9. Couldn’t move for bumping into ex-PDs. Turns out we haven’t gone away, you know.

6 Comments

JimDHunt
Oct 7, 2012 at 6:26 pm

I think, you’ve hit the nail on the head there with your generational comment about Fianna Fáil. 1980 was the peak pre-boom year for births in Ireland and these people have grown up to inherit an economic wasteland that was brought about largely by the avarice and feckless greed of their parents and grandparents generations.

We are now some four years after a bank guarantee, signed up to by an over promoted country solicitor. Surely it must have occurred to those younger FF members that those who came before them, those that lined their pockets at the expense of their country men and women have rendered themselves unfit for public service and must have such future opportunities denied to them.

If these younger, hungrier people can’t find a way to influence policy in whatever party they are a member of, they will eventually, if not inevitability, seek to form new political bonds with other like minded individuals to enable them to successfully achieve ambitions for themselves, their families and their countrymen and women, as they see fit.

@JimDHunt


 
david morris
Oct 7, 2012 at 6:45 pm

Once again ignoring the elephant in the room…..

Independent Irish destiny has been ceded to a far away country, of which you apparently
know little (& care less).

Bless.

Kind regards


 
John H
Oct 9, 2012 at 8:47 am

@JimDHunt

Re this comment “Surely it must have occurred to those younger FF members that those who came before them, those that lined their pockets at the expense of their country men and women have rendered themselves unfit for public service and must have such future opportunities denied to them”

Of course it occurs to them. But they’re not there to support the past generation getting back into power. Perish the thought. They are there to influence future events themselves. You saw Jason’s comment about the older generation “wrecking the party”. The younger generation are there now to take over and whatever future shape the party takes they want to be the ones shaping it, not the old guard. There are still plenty of bright sparks in FF at the younger levels. If they can get onto councils in 2014 and then start forming the front line in the GE after they could greatly change the narrative. If that breakthrough doesn’t happen it’s a different ball game but until then there is a roadmap and an opportunity both for the party and the new generation within to shape their own destiny.


 
Peter
Oct 10, 2012 at 11:20 pm

What is the moral difference between the Troubles and the War of Independence. Violence for political ends – hard to see any moral difference between Michael Collins and Martin McGuinness.

Simon Coveney is dull. He declared on the radio yesterday that as Minister for Agriculture “It’s my job to get the best possible deal for farmers”. The Irish people don’t come into it. The Minister for Health’s job is to get the best deal for doctors. Simon is the perfect replacement for Enda.


 
Stephen Kearon
Oct 13, 2012 at 11:38 pm

But Jason you never mentioned if you were more entertained at the FF table or FG table you were sitting at :-)


 
Jason O
Oct 14, 2012 at 5:29 pm

Sure if I answered that I wouldn’t get invited back next year!


 

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