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Why are British eurosceptics opposed to Proportional Representation?

Posted by Jason O on Oct 6, 2010 in British Politics, European Union |

Why is it that Britain, possibly the most eurosceptic country in the EU, does not have a substantial “Leave the EU” party in the House of Commons? The answer, of course, is that the electoral system does not permit it. But what is truly baffling to this non-Brit is the way that hardline eurosceptics conspire with pro-European Tories to keep first past the post, and then complain when the pro-European Tories get elected and do pro-European things. Why are hardline eurosceptics not advocating changing the voting system to one where their votes actually matter?

5 Comments

Pidge
Oct 6, 2010 at 11:39 am

Because PR is what the French do, or something like that.


 
david morris
Oct 6, 2010 at 8:33 pm

This Brusselsceptic doesn’t think AV is the solution. It does nothing to solve the problem of “safe seat” party fiefdoms, which make so many MPs answer inward to party whips, rather than outward to local people. Far from making pols more accountable, AV actually allows them to disregard large chunks of opinion.

For some time now , our political system has been moving from that dominated by 2.5 parties towards one with a spectrum of choice. Voters want representation that is niche, distinctive, particular and local. Big political parties that only do generic brand politics, built on centrally controlled messages and parroted scripts, have lost market share as a consequence.

AV is the Westminster village’s response to its loss of market share. With elections decided on second preferences, people’s votes will eventually go to the established parties. The established parties won’t have quite the same need to go after people’s votes. The results will favour the generic and bland – and maybe even the mediocrities, too.

Not that it matters. Now we have installed at the local guvmint of Westminster two advocates of common purpose, everything discussed has already been ratified/approved by Herr Rumpy & Co.

BTW, hows that Euro thing doing for you ?

Kind regards


 
Jason O
Oct 6, 2010 at 9:43 pm

But what about a proper PR system? Would you vote for that?

As for the Euro: Our exports remain very strong, and unlike Iceland, our currency did not drop 60% in a single day meaning that we can no longer afford luxuries like, eh, a Big Mac. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8327185.stm

Ask most Irish people, they’ll tell you the Euro saved us. I know that kills you, the idea that ordinary people think the EU is OK, but that’s the way it is.


 
Jeff
Oct 8, 2010 at 12:20 am

“Ask most Irish people, they’ll tell you the Euro saved us.”

X2. If we had the “nupunt” as some (oddly enough almsot always from the UK) people have been advocating, we would have been shagged.
Our import’s to fuel the economy (we need things brought in to finish the products and services we then export back out) never mind big macs would have been unaffordable.


 
Jeff
Oct 8, 2010 at 12:28 am

“TW, hows that Euro thing doing for you”

I’d be far more concerned with what’s coming down the line for the £. QE Part II. All the “off book” debt, and every spending plan seeming to be implemented in “a few years”.

It’s going to be a shitter for UK PLC, and I say that with no joy….just bad times ahead.


 

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